Lochmonar (British, 9412 GRT, built 1924), The Phantom for starters would have been providing a long distance outer screen CAP supported by the Gannets. M.A.O. Exercise Joint Warrior is the largest military exercise in Europe, bringing together the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force and the British Army, as well as forces from other nations. Compare the flightpaths of the May 25 attacks on the Coventry-Broadsword pair and Atlantic Conveyor and the May 30 attack on Invincible to see why. They were escorted by the destroyers Brilliant, HMS Verity, M/S trawlers HMS Coriolanus, HMS Eday, HMS Inchmarnock, HMS Kerrera and the motor launches HMS ML 458, HMS ML 463, HMS ML 469, HMS ML 471 and HMS HDML 1128. Lord Teynham, RN), HMS Velox (Lt. G.B. The real bit of what if history (if you like a we bit of fantasy) would be what would have happened if we had not cancelled the new carrier. The second HMS Rhyl was marked F129. St.J.R.J. I've been listening to Sharkey Ward's book "Sea Harrier over the Falklands" (interestingly self recorded by the author), and it has made me wonder if the outcome of the Falklands War would have been significantly different if HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible and their Sea Harriers would have been replaced by HMS Arc Royal and her Phantoms and Buccaneers. Gannets would have eliminated the use of type 42s as radar picket, saving Coventry and Sheffield. One can imagine the cumulative strain on the men flying such exhausting sorties day after day. Unless this about lessons we shouldnt forget this is just another counter factual. From that moment, war was inevitable as the junta could not have backed down and survived. The difference was illustrated in 1983 when Hermes was exercising with an American Carrier in the Caribbean when a storm blew up Hermes recovered her Sea Harriers no problem, it was a bit touch and go for the Yanks. Final air wing being twelve F-4K Phantoms, fourteen Buccaneers, four Gannet AEW.3, a Gannet COD and eight helicopters for ASW and SAR. Wilkinson, RN) and the corvette HMS Samphire (with her repairs completed) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS A1. They made contact with their beacon submarine HMS P 48 (Lt. M.E. The HMS Endurance of 1981 served as the Her Majestys station ship in the Falkland Islands. Four decades on and thanks to money from the Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity, and selfless work by Landing Craft coxswain Sergeant Dan Langley RM, Lieutenant Colonel Thurstan took a new memorial plaque to the site, dedicated by the RAF padre in the presence of islanders and veterans on the day after Forths memorial service. Indeed. More than 40 Grenadier Guards joined HMS Forth for their first The F-4 was maintenance heavy and temperamental in comparison to the SHAR which chalked up astonishingly high mission availability rates during the war. J.L. Not really. Personnel from across the Services, veterans and members of the Falklands community joined the Royal Navys Landing Craft community in remembering the forgotten The point about pitching deck limits is especially important. At 0535A/8 the tug St. Day joined which also passed a tow. No reason why Harriers, if deployed on CATO-BAR carriers in the Falklands War couldnt be Catapulted, and Land STOVL? Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. Viceroy of India and Had there been a conventional carrier down there, such as Ark Royal, we would have been out of limits a lot of the time. E.A. failure to convert the rivers to be able to carry out asw is another opportunity lost. Condition: Fine image. Convoy KMF O 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 2230A/6; it was made up of the (troop) transports; Twin Auto 6inch and twin Auto 3 Inch turrets would have ruined any ashore forces day. Of course, the capability of ship aside, the very fact of their existence in your Armoury, has a deterrent value all of its own. The Americans concluded that even Nimitz-size ships would often have been out of limits. Perhaps the argument would have been better put that the withdrawal from East of Suez leading to the cancellation CV-A01, was erroneous, as that in itself set in-train the intentional run down of conventional navel aviation? It would have changed were the weaknesses lay. Meyrick, RN), frigates HMS Exe (A/Cdr. Falklands War. HMS Glamorgan was a County-class destroyer of the Royal Navy with a displacement of 5,440 tonnes. The ship was built by Vickers-Armstrongs in Newcastle Upon Tyne and named after the Welsh county of Glamorgan. Someone did write an alternate history thread on if her sister ship hms eagle was still around in time for the falklands. Whether it be in the heat of the desert or ice of the Antarctic, we are ready for action in the most extreme environments on earth. City of Worcester, Around 0800A/5, the minesweepers HMS Algerine (Lt.Cdr. WebDitched and recovered by HMS Falmouth off Belize 30 Sep 1982. There was also one subsidiary beach, ' R '. Holland-Martin, DSC, RN) and HMS Tartar (Cdr. Maron (British, 6487 GRT, built 1930), With them were also transports from convoy KMS A1. Convoy KMF A 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 0100A/6; it was made up of the (troop) transports; G. Blessas). I think you will find that the ship you saw in Chatham Dockyard was in fact the Maintenance Ship HMS Triumph ( Ex Aircraft Carrier ). Our ability to overcome adverse conditions means were often the first to respond when disaster strikes. HMS Forth made the short voyage from her base in the islands to the spot where Foxtrot 4 was attacked late on June 8 1982 near the mouth of Choiseul Sound about four miles southeast of Berthas Beach on East Falkland. KMS O1 then proceeded to the westwards so as to pass the Straits of Gibraltar later. Monarch of Bermuda (British, 22424 GRT, built 1931), Learn more about the Royal Navys priorities and what we do day-to-day. The F-4 was undoubtedly a more capable naval interceptor than the Sea Harrier. Marnix van St. Aldegonde (Dutch, 19355 GRT, built 1930), R.L. G.D. Belben, DSC, AM, RN) and the destroyers HMS Laforey (Capt. During her last refit she was fitted for four Sea Cat missile launchers, but they were never installed, so she emerged from this refit with no defensive armament. The ship entered HMNB Devonport, and was subsequently decommissioned on the 14th February 1979. They were brought into Bizerta where their cargo was unloaded. Nieuw Zeeland (British, 11069 GRT, built 1928), Community Hospital Eportal, It would have provided an additional 120nm range over the SeaKing AEW. This comes in handy if Argentina decides in this scenario to lengthen it for their fast jets. Grubbie. Withdrawing the Ark in 79 would only have further convinced them of our North Atlantic/NATO centric pivot. W.R.K. A final bombardment was then carried out and also aircraft from North African air bases carried out attacks. Dempo, There were also plans to sell the Australians the HMS Invincible, but after the Falklands war, and the government seeing the utility of this ship it was decided to cancel to sale. Via Matteotti, 3721040 Vedano Olona VA. gordon, gino and fred season 2 episode 5(function (w,d) {var loader = function () {var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.src="https://cdn.iubenda.com/iubenda.js"; tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s,tag);}; if(w.addEventListener){w.addEventListener("load", loader, false);}else if(w.attachEvent){w.attachEvent("onload", loader);}else{w.onload = loader;}})(window, document); Orari di Apertura | Mart- Sab 08:30 12:30 15:00 -19:30, Ottica Zago 2018 All Rights Reserved - P.IVA 03256230123 -Design. It was made up of the following transports; After the invasion there were wild celebrations, relieving the pressure on the junta. A.T.G.C. The bias is obvious. Group VIII, LST HMS Bachaquero (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) I do think that optically whether the Ark was a basket case or not, the Argentines may have thought twice about invading if we had the capacity to send thee carriers down there, one of them with fast jets like the Phantom. Having another capital ship, which was an Audacious class aircraft carrier equipped with McDonnell Douglas Phantom FG.1 alongside Blackburn Buccaneers, would have been a huge asset, and. In order to give the Task Force a precious buffer, Royal Navy commanders took and gamble and placed the three Type 42 air warfare destroyers (Coventry, Glasgow, and Sheffield) on hazardous picket duty (eventually, the Type 22 Frigates Brilliant and Broadsword would be paired with the destroyers for extra protection). K.G. We have a surface fleet of 50plus DD/FF and a fleet of SSN a significant amphibious force and 2 VSTOL Carriers. Good points. C.L. H.N.A. Would have been interesting! Find out more about them here. Gannets were located and in process ofRead more , This is a narrow and silly proposition. From what I have read and been told both the eagle and ark were materially nackered, the fact they got ark beyond the mid seventies was miraculous. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! It was temperamental in cold weather. D.S. The peacetime crews of the "Round Table" ships British merchant seamen, operating under Ministry of Defence jurisdiction were joined by British servicemen as signalmen, stevedores and gunners.[7][8]. A 500lb bomb dropped by a Skyhawk destroyed the wheelhouse and stern section of the boat, killing six crew. Empire Confidence (British, 5023 GRT, built 1925), I wonder if these constant threats of further cuts bear down on the morale of the Armed Services, course they do , but the Politicians safe in theirRead more . Zebulon B. Vance (American, 7176 GRT, built 1942). W.Y. AR's Phantoms were certainly not equal to the dozens of Tomcats and Hornets the US carriers were cutting about with at the time but they were still solid aircraft, probably easily superior to the Argentine Daggers, Mirages and Skyhawks though numbers would be an issue, albeit one massively offset by each F-4 carrying 4 Skyflash SARH missiles plus 4 Sidewinders compared to the mere 2 Sidewinders of the Sea Harriers. This is a list of the naval forces from the United Kingdom that took part in the Falklands War, often referred to as "the Task Force" in the context of the war. Even Thatcher asked if Ark could be used in 82 but was told she was too far gone with scrapping well underway. North, RN), HMS Zetland (Lt. J.V. Warwick Castle (British, 20107 GRT, built 1930) and Tyrwhitt, DSC, RN), HMS Troubridge (Capt. The Royal Navy was in a middle of another round of defence cuts which would have meant some of the capital ships including HMS Invincible would have been sold. Ardeola (British, 2609 GRT, built 1912), Empire Mordred, Warfare is going down the path of smaller, high tech engagements against terror groups and even an engagement with another nation could be limited, unless we are talking Russia, which to me is highly unlikely. HMS Sheffield after the Exocet missile strike in May 1982 that killed 20 and injured 26 of its crew In a combat zone Andy had additional duties and was part of the ship's first-aid Groups VI and VII were escorted by the light (AA) cruiser HMS Delhi (Capt. HMS Eagle was the Powney, RNVR) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy KMS O1. Cathay (British, 15225 GRT, built 1925), 2nd division; Edward Rutledge, William Floyd and William Wirt. Around 0700A/5, the corvette HMS Samphire arrived at Gibraltar with defects from convoy KMS A1. You can help improve our commands section 04 April 2022 J.S. A.A. Martin, DSC, RD, RNR), HMS Rhyl (Cdr. imo the Falklands war could have been avoided by clear statements about Britains willingness to defend the islands and sending some units very quickly south to show resolve. Contents 1 Operational Service 2 Commanding officers 3 References 4 Publications Operational The Bucc had huge range, carried a massive bombload (about 7 tons of bombs), anti shipping missiles and anti radiation missiles. R. Patterson, SANF(V)), HMS Albacore (Lt.Cdr. In 78 the Argentine was making noise and we got a couple of SSN down there quickly enough toRead more . Dempo (Dutch, 17024 GRT, built 1931), Ede, DSO, RN), HMS Stornoway (T/A/Lt.Cdr. Around 0200A/3, the AA ships HMS Palomares (A/Capt.(Retd.) Arc Royal carried not only the Phantom (a much better Fleet Defence fighter than the Harrier), but also the Fairey Gannet AEW.3 airborne early warning aircraft. Chase Closed My Account When Will I Get My Money, Eight motor torpedo boats and / or motor gun boats were also set to patrol in the area. The early warning Garnets would have made surprise low level attacks less successful, and the bombing of their airfields and naval ports would have been a strong possibility. Macharda, With no Falklands war the junta would probably have survived for some time, with increasingly brutal suppression ofRead more . Batory (Polish, 14287 GRT, built 1936), R. Horncastle, RN), HMS Westcott (Cdr. It was made up of the USS Almaack, USS Leedstown, USS Samuel Chase, Exceller and Dempo. KMF A1 was destined for Algiers and KMF O1 was destined for Oran. never mind the rivers, t45,s, frigates et al the u.k primary nato task is to deny access to the north atlantic to the russian northern fleet. i doubt she would have even got to the falklands. Can you expand on this? Around 1300A/3, the light cruiser HMS Jamaica (Capt. The extra aircraft, range and capabilities afforded by the airwing would allow longer range combat air patrols, the AEE would allow far earlier detection of raids and interception west of the Falklands. H.M. Darell-Brown, RN), cutters HMS Hartland (Lt.Cdr. It's certainly an interesting hypothetical and it isn't as clear-cut as you might think. HMS Rhyl was a Rothesay-class or Type 12I anti-submarine frigate of the Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. Stanhill, Modern day list of ships supposedly lost by the British in the Falklands War, still showing Invincible and Hermes as considered or possibly sunk or damaged the old myths die hard: Here a more recent Argentine photograph from the press shows an impressive attack against HMS Penelope with the caption A greeting to your Queen: Royal Marines are able to operate across all terrains and environments using an arsenal of highly specialised equipment and weapons. Benalbanach (British, 7153 GRT, built 1940), So nothing really changes then, with wholesale disposal of assets only to discover they are needed just a few years later. Walt Whitman (American, 7176 GRT, built 1942), C.G. From convoy KMS A1 the following ships were assigned to ' A Sector '; Dewdale, Lalande, Manchester Port, Ocean Viceroy and Ocean Wanderer. Storey, RN) also departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. N. Hunt, RNVR), HMS Eday (T/Lt. A.E.T. Loveband, RN), escort destroyers HMS Bicester (Lt.Cdr. Tiba and X ', ' Y ' and ' Z ' beach. The likelihood of retaining the territory would have been very low, and likely that the Argentines would have held back their plans. J.H. Benalbanach, Protecting the British fishing industry and safeguarding the nation's fishing stocks. Of course, if Britain has committed to keeping carrier capability then it may well be the AEW.7 instead which was to have a rotodome much like the E-2 Hawkeye and subsequently significantly improved capability. G.N. Let's start with early warning. They were escorted by the escort destroyers HMS Eggesford (Lt.Cdr. The cruisers and fleet destroyers then proceeded to Lampedusa. Could have given the Task Force earlier warning of Argentine air raids? Wilson scrapped the newer ship. Scott, RN) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. Covers this near enough and up to modern day. Empire Confidence, There weren't enough Gannets to cover every possible approach to the amphibious force in San Carlos Water or the carriers NE of the islands. Letitia, Nieuw Zeeland, However, a new government reexamined the case and found that only shore-based aircraft was not sufficient to provide the defence needs of our global interests which were East of the Suez. We empower all our people, by respecting and valuing what makes them different. Urlana. However, another interesting fact was that breaking up of Ark Royal took until 1983. By the time she was paid off in 79 she was in a horrendous state. Llangibby Castle (British, 11951 GRT, built 1929), Brunton, DSC, RN), HMS Queen Emma (Capt.(Retd.) Bombandment of that island commenced at 2245/11 and continued throughout the 12th. R.V.E. It would certainly render the need.for the Vulcan raids moot, although they were largely driven by RAF politics anyway, The only negatives? S.E. A memorial service is held every year by 4th Assault Squadron Royal Marines, aboard the UKs amphibious flagship currently HMS Albion to mark the tragedy and honour the men lost. Harper, RNR), HMS Hoy (T/Lt. 2nd Division; Derwentdale, Reina del Pacifico and Tegelberg. Agnew, CB, RN), HMS Newfoundland (Capt. Ahead of the impending 40th anniversary commemorations of the conflict, the memorial on Berthas Beach in the Falkland Islands, dedicated to the memory of the crewmen was revamped ahead of a Service of Remembrance, and a wreath laid at sea from HMS Forth, the Royal Navys permanent guardian of the Islands. A. Stirling, RNR) and HMS Shiant (T/Lt. Beverley, DSO, DSC, RNR), HMS Violet (Lt. C.N. Group IX; LST's HMS Misoa (T/Lt. Brooke, DSO, DSC and Bar, RN). Obviously, Galtieri and his gang launched the invasion to distract attention from their domestic problems, and as I said before, in the expectation that Britain lacked the will to do anything militarily, irrespective of what forcesRead more . Also arriving at Gibraltar were the Leinster, HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and Ulster Monarch. Walt Whitman, Charles H. Cramp, Fraser, RNR) and the motor launches HMS ML 280, HMS HDML 1127. Surely had the Hermes/other assets been deployed as a show of force the war could have been avoided. The damaged ship anchored off Algiers around 1030A/11 being towed there by HMS Wishart and HMS St. Day. Harcourt, CBE, RN), HMS Orion (Capt. Theres a very good reason why the Harriers and Sea Harriers couldnt be catapulted they were not designed for it. D.E. R.R. Group I, 1st Division; Batory, HMS Princess Beatrix, Queen Emma, 2nd Division; Benalbenach, Mark Twain, Mary Slessor and Walt Whitman. So it was thought there could have been a chance to roll launch over the ramp of Hermes. They were manned by Royal Naval personnel, mainly from 1st MCM Squadron based at Rosyth. It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS, Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, The importance of the Glasgow area to the Royal Navy. Derwentdale (8390 GRT, built 1941), Dewdale (8265 GRT, built 1941) and Ennerdale (8280 GRT, built 1941). It is worth noting that HMSArk Royal,did have a sister ship in its lineAudaciousclass aircraft carriers that was HMSEagle. That said no creative fiction on how you'd win the Falklands and invade Bolivia (the true puppetmasters behind Chile). Ensuring the security of home and international waters is central to the stability and prosperity of Britain and the world economy. HMS Spey by that time had departed with the ships 24 landing craft in which the ships troops had embarked. I think yes, as I find it coincidental that Ark was decommissioned in Dec 1979 and scrapping began in 1980 followed by the invasion in 1982. They also tried Bulwark and pretty much the same answer. I read that Bulwark was actually examined during the war to investigate if it could be brought quickly back into service and rushed south but its material state was too far gone by that time. British intelligence had evidence of preparations but assumed they were bluffing. Island nation that has the same sea but a fraction of the ship above or below the water. D.P. Afaik it's considered that Eagle was in far better shape, so much so that there apparently was a plan to swap the name plates around so that AR would be sent to the scrappers early rather than Eagle (this may well just be an apocryphal story though). C.A. By 1978 Ark was incapable of making distilled water , needed for boilers and catapult launches , such were the state of her evaporators, she required the three RFAs that accompanied her to go alongside and RAS distilled water. They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Pozarica, escort destroyers HMS Bicester, HMS Bramham, frigate HMS Rother, minesweeper HMS Cadmus, MS trawlers HMS Juliet, HMS Rysa, HMS Stroma and the motor launches HMS ML 283, HMS ML 336 and HMS ML 338. Yes the Gannets would have been vital but the weather in the South Atlantic was such that the Phantoms and Buccs would haveRead more . Our new Carriers and their air groups will certainly swing the proverbial big stick of foreign policy, to make people think twice! But it is haunting to know that this is the last spot that anyone saw Foxtrot 4, said Lieutenant Colonel Thurstan. Letitia (British, 13595 GRT, built 1925), Salacia (British, 5495 GRT, built 1937), They were escorted by the sloop HMS Stork and the corvettes HMS Pentstemon and HMS Samphire. Hore-Lacy, RN), HMS Keren (A/Cdr. Civilian trawlers converted to Extra-Deep Armed Team Sweep (EDATS) with some extempore acoustic and sonar equipment. Around 0725Z/7, HMS Clare parted company to join ' Force O ' which she did around 0913Z/7. The carriers, whilst being a useful addition to the armed forces, are predominately vanity pieces. It wasnt the capability which failed to deter it was the will to use it. The ship entered HMNB Devonport, and was subsequently decommissioned on the 14th February 1979. I believed they even looked at an ocean going tug towing a Bulwark down there with strap on DG sets in containers fixed on board for power just to provide an extra flight deck. Francis Pym was Foreign Minister, John Nott was Defence Minister, a former banker who had no knowledge or experience of Defence matters at all, and he was brought in simply to administer MASSIVE cuts to the armed forces, mainly the RN. McMullan, RNR) escorted by the M/S trawler HMS Horatio (T/Lt. A.F.C. R.M.J. At 2040A/7, the destroyers HMS Wishart and HMS Velox joined and the ship was taken in tow by HMS Wishart. Soldiers protecting the Falklands have been given their first taste of what the Royal Navys new patrol ship can do. See high resolution scans for details. Clan MacTaggart (British, 7622 GRT, built 1920), Island nation which now depends on communications cables too easy to cut. Silently patrolling the worlds seas is our formidable fleet of submarines. As Harry said, had history been different and the Ark survived into the 1980s, then (assuming it was available) it wouldnt have been as effective as the combined effect of Hermes and Invincible. J.W. R.deL. Lemkey, RNR). Something needs to carry the Chinooks and Wessexes after all. The landing ships Dewdale and Ennerdale were also part of the convoy. This is seen in the case of the Centaur class aircraft carrier HMS Hermes which did see successful action in the Falklands, and it could arguably be the case, that its very survival along with the HMS Invincible was the reason the War in the Falklands was victorious for the British. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Mandatory Fun, https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/. Also part of the convoy were the landing ships HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Key to liberating the Falklands was air superiority, largely delivered from HMS Hermes and Invincible. A.P. T.B. Clan Mactaggart, (1). Ettrick, HMS Hermes, was converted to a helicopter carrier, and then to a vertical take-off and landing aircraft carrier suitable for the Harrier jump jets which were invaluable to military a large combat aiar patrol would have certainly have given the opportunity to stop incoming attacks in san carlos where antelope and ardent were lost, possibly coventry would have had air protection which may not have seen her lost. HMS Spey remained with the damaged ship. Northey, DSC, RN). HMS Rhyl Two ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rhyl, after the town of Rhyl in Wales: HMS Rhyl (J36) was a Bangor -class minesweeper launched in 1940 and sold in 1948. tiger and bulwark were looked at, tiger was a mess and would have needed a comprehensiveRead more . Click here to Submit events/comments/updates for this vessel. 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